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  1. class-struggle-anarchism:

association-of-free-people:

class-struggle-anarchism:

association-of-free-people:

Wait, you provide Marxist apologia in the face of results? I know all of the communists of the 20th century “did it wrong”. You are the liar, you are the rube who apologizes for holocaust and a brutal and murderous ideology even adding it to your ridiculous cartoonish moniker.  You are as empty and lightweight as your persona projects.  Grow up.
You bloviate in the face of reality.  In just one instance we have Holodomor, the great effort at ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by the Soviet communists led by Lenin?  This genocide is a simple matter of fact and yet you presumably deny it.

Shaw isn’t relevant?  Why?  Because you say so?  Where the hell do you think Fabian Socialist ideology sprung forth from?  The same poisonous well that is Marxism.  It is no Secret that the Fabian Society came into the world at the exact time that Marxism was the mainstream of the socialist surge.  It attempted to put a Western face on the movement and instead of violent overthrow adopted a subversive set of tactics to meet their ends.  This is no secret.  Shaw actively praised the Soviets as well as the Fascists for their totalitarian socialist states “getting things done”.  
You’re as disgusting as a nazi and don’t even realize it.  You should be ashamed of yourself.
"Among all the nations and sub-nations of Austria [Austro-Hungarian Empire], only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and are still capable of life — the Germans, the Poles and the Magyars [Hungarians]. Hence they are now revolutionary. All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary holocaust. For that reason they are now counter-revolutionary. […] These residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extermination or loss of their national character. […] A general war will wipe out all these racial trash [völkerabfälle] down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward." 
"The Magyar Struggle," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, January 13, 1849Printed in English in the book: Karl Marx, The Revolutions of 1848, Political Writings Vol. 1, London, Penguin Books, 1973.
Mussolini claimed Karl Marx as the single largest influence on fascism and that the fascist ideology was doctrinally based on Marxism.
"What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism. —Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930 - Alan Bullock, Hitler: a Study in Tyranny, pp.156-7 He also asserted: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. ” “There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, revolutionary feeling … I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the Party at once. The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never be a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. ”




You see, I don’t need filtered translations and revision spoon-fed to me from apologists and zealots decades removed from the history.  I have the actors themselves in their own words.  We have recorded history and contemporary accounts of that history.  It does not all disappear down the memory-hole so that you can enjoy your perverted erstwhile fantasies.
Go crawl back under your rock.  As you know I equate you with a fascist.  You are either an extremely ignorant or an evil human being.

Haha - it’s the guy who thought Makhno wasn’t a communist, I see you haven’t gotten smarter since this morning

Not once did I claim he was anything other than an anarchist.  When you finish laughing, go back and read the thread.  This myth about what I “thought” is a fantasy that someone came up with and you drones ran with it.  Typical of your mindset.

I started today laughing at your ignorance and looks like I’m going to finish it in the same vein

 In just one instance we have Holodomor, the great effort at ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by the Soviet communists led by Lenin? 

Nope, Lenin had been dead for nearly ten years.

You’ll have to forgive me, I was rolling.  Kulaks were slaughtered by Lenin right?  Ethnic Ukrainians by Stalin.  So easy to get the communist mass murderers confused.


Where the hell do you think Fabian Socialist ideology sprung forth from?

Progressive Liberalism

Oh ok.  So we should take the calls for holocaust out on progressive liberalism.  Got it.  How about we take the founders of the movement on their word?


 It is no Secret that the Fabian Society came into the world at the exact time that Marxism was the mainstream of the socialist surge. 

Is it no secret? It’s also not true, the Fabian society was founded one year after Marx’s death, well before Marxism “was the mainstream of the socialist surge” in the twentieth century.

They were founded with the intention of bringing forth their bent on Marxist ideology to the mainstream.  They differentiated in that they did not advocate violent overthrow but gradualism and subversion.  Their hubris couldn’t keep them from incorporating their tactics in their iconography, thus we have the wolf in sheeps clothing and the Fabian Window.

I’m not going to address the rest of your little impotent tantrum because it’s cringeworthy horseshit, and I’m not a Marxist, I just hate capitalists, especially ignorant, pompous ones like you.

Bullshit.  You aren’t going to address it because it would take volumes of apologetics and amorphous excuse making peppered with ad-hom attacks for you to have anything resembling a point.

haha ok then

Not once did I claim he was anything other than an anarchist.  When you finish laughing, go back and read the thread.  This myth about what I “thought” is a fantasy that someone came up with and you drones ran with it.  Typical of your mindset.

You said that the Spanish revolution was the sole experiment in anarchist communism to see the light of day. This means you thought the free territory was a) not an experiment in anarchist communism or b) didn’t see the light of day. Which is it?

You’ll have to forgive me, I was rolling.  Kulaks were slaughtered by Lenin right?  Ethnic Ukrainians by Stalin.  So easy to get the communist mass murderers confused.

Well, really it was Stalin both times, but whatever I hate them both

They were founded with the intention of bringing forth their bent on Marxist ideology to the mainstream. 

No they were not. You quite simply have no idea what you are talking about.
The Fabian Society were not founded as any brand of Marxism, they were a middle class socialist club which specifically rejected Marxist economics in favour of Liberal political economy coupled with ethical and evolutionary positivism. I’d recommend Mark Bevir’s “The Making of British Socialism” published by Princeton University Press if you’d like to check this - part two, chapter seven. You’ll find it more instructive than wikipedia.

Bullshit.  You aren’t going to address it because it would take volumes of apologetics and amorphous excuse making peppered with ad-hom attacks for you to have anything resembling a point.

No, I’m not addressing it because it was just pompous rhetoric with nothing substantial to address. I think I’ve made my points quite well, you, on the other hand, have been making factual errors with embarrassing regularity while flailing around with your try-hard vocabulary and unconvincing mock outrage. Standard ancap form.

"I have been proven wrong therefore I will resort to petty insults." ha good form bud. See ya in the showers.

    class-struggle-anarchism:

    association-of-free-people:

    class-struggle-anarchism:

    association-of-free-people:

    Wait, you provide Marxist apologia in the face of results? I know all of the communists of the 20th century “did it wrong”. You are the liar, you are the rube who apologizes for holocaust and a brutal and murderous ideology even adding it to your ridiculous cartoonish moniker.  You are as empty and lightweight as your persona projects.  Grow up.

    You bloviate in the face of reality.  In just one instance we have Holodomor, the great effort at ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by the Soviet communists led by Lenin?  This genocide is a simple matter of fact and yet you presumably deny it.

    Shaw isn’t relevant?  Why?  Because you say so?  Where the hell do you think Fabian Socialist ideology sprung forth from?  The same poisonous well that is Marxism.  It is no Secret that the Fabian Society came into the world at the exact time that Marxism was the mainstream of the socialist surge.  It attempted to put a Western face on the movement and instead of violent overthrow adopted a subversive set of tactics to meet their ends.  This is no secret.  Shaw actively praised the Soviets as well as the Fascists for their totalitarian socialist states “getting things done”.  

    You’re as disgusting as a nazi and don’t even realize it.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

    "Among all the nations and sub-nations of Austria [Austro-Hungarian Empire], only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and are still capable of life — the Germans, the Poles and the Magyars [Hungarians]. Hence they are now revolutionary. All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary holocaust. For that reason they are now counter-revolutionary. […] These residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extermination or loss of their national character. […] A general war will wipe out all these racial trash [völkerabfälle] down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward." 

    "The Magyar Struggle," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, January 13, 1849
    Printed in English in the book: Karl Marx, The Revolutions of 1848, Political Writings Vol. 1, London, Penguin Books, 1973.

    Mussolini claimed Karl Marx as the single largest influence on fascism and that the fascist ideology was doctrinally based on Marxism.

    "What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism. —Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930 - Alan Bullock, Hitler: a Study in Tyranny, pp.156-7 He also asserted: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. ” “There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, revolutionary feeling … I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the Party at once. The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never be a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. ”

    You see, I don’t need filtered translations and revision spoon-fed to me from apologists and zealots decades removed from the history.  I have the actors themselves in their own words.  We have recorded history and contemporary accounts of that history.  It does not all disappear down the memory-hole so that you can enjoy your perverted erstwhile fantasies.

    Go crawl back under your rock.  As you know I equate you with a fascist.  You are either an extremely ignorant or an evil human being.

    Haha - it’s the guy who thought Makhno wasn’t a communist, I see you haven’t gotten smarter since this morning

    Not once did I claim he was anything other than an anarchist.  When you finish laughing, go back and read the thread.  This myth about what I “thought” is a fantasy that someone came up with and you drones ran with it.  Typical of your mindset.

    I started today laughing at your ignorance and looks like I’m going to finish it in the same vein

     In just one instance we have Holodomor, the great effort at ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by the Soviet communists led by Lenin? 

    Nope, Lenin had been dead for nearly ten years.

    You’ll have to forgive me, I was rolling.  Kulaks were slaughtered by Lenin right?  Ethnic Ukrainians by Stalin.  So easy to get the communist mass murderers confused.

    Where the hell do you think Fabian Socialist ideology sprung forth from?

    Progressive Liberalism

    Oh ok.  So we should take the calls for holocaust out on progressive liberalism.  Got it.  How about we take the founders of the movement on their word?

     It is no Secret that the Fabian Society came into the world at the exact time that Marxism was the mainstream of the socialist surge. 

    Is it no secret? It’s also not true, the Fabian society was founded one year after Marx’s death, well before Marxism “was the mainstream of the socialist surge” in the twentieth century.

    They were founded with the intention of bringing forth their bent on Marxist ideology to the mainstream.  They differentiated in that they did not advocate violent overthrow but gradualism and subversion.  Their hubris couldn’t keep them from incorporating their tactics in their iconography, thus we have the wolf in sheeps clothing and the Fabian Window.

    I’m not going to address the rest of your little impotent tantrum because it’s cringeworthy horseshit, and I’m not a Marxist, I just hate capitalists, especially ignorant, pompous ones like you.

    Bullshit.  You aren’t going to address it because it would take volumes of apologetics and amorphous excuse making peppered with ad-hom attacks for you to have anything resembling a point.

    haha ok then

    Not once did I claim he was anything other than an anarchist.  When you finish laughing, go back and read the thread.  This myth about what I “thought” is a fantasy that someone came up with and you drones ran with it.  Typical of your mindset.

    You said that the Spanish revolution was the sole experiment in anarchist communism to see the light of day. This means you thought the free territory was a) not an experiment in anarchist communism or b) didn’t see the light of day. Which is it?

    You’ll have to forgive me, I was rolling.  Kulaks were slaughtered by Lenin right?  Ethnic Ukrainians by Stalin.  So easy to get the communist mass murderers confused.

    Well, really it was Stalin both times, but whatever I hate them both

    They were founded with the intention of bringing forth their bent on Marxist ideology to the mainstream. 

    No they were not. You quite simply have no idea what you are talking about.

    The Fabian Society were not founded as any brand of Marxism, they were a middle class socialist club which specifically rejected Marxist economics in favour of Liberal political economy coupled with ethical and evolutionary positivism. I’d recommend Mark Bevir’s “The Making of British Socialism” published by Princeton University Press if you’d like to check this - part two, chapter seven. You’ll find it more instructive than wikipedia.

    Bullshit.  You aren’t going to address it because it would take volumes of apologetics and amorphous excuse making peppered with ad-hom attacks for you to have anything resembling a point.

    No, I’m not addressing it because it was just pompous rhetoric with nothing substantial to address. I think I’ve made my points quite well, you, on the other hand, have been making factual errors with embarrassing regularity while flailing around with your try-hard vocabulary and unconvincing mock outrage. Standard ancap form.

    "I have been proven wrong therefore I will resort to petty insults." ha good form bud. See ya in the showers.

    (Source: jonnyny)

  2. freexcitizen:

First fucking page

    freexcitizen:

    First fucking page

  3. refrgerator:

highwayvagrant:

stop

its a fucking animated horse your dick can’t feel anything but the cheeto residue in your palms

    refrgerator:

    highwayvagrant:

    stop

    its a fucking animated horse your dick can’t feel anything but the cheeto residue in your palms

    (Source: hauntedpenis11, via darthmobius)

  4. whiskeyontheocean:

Tens of thousands of New Yorkers woke up as felons today. No compliance.

    whiskeyontheocean:

    Tens of thousands of New Yorkers woke up as felons today. No compliance.

    (Source: ar15.com, via 2wheeledlife)

  5. animecommunist:

jonnyny:

animecommunist:

association-of-free-people:

animecommunist:

association-of-free-people:

jonnyny:

anarchosaur:

I think communism is a pipedream, but this is just preposterous.
It could at least be written what Karl Marx actually theorised, not just pointless whit.

Ill sympathize with Marx right about the same time I start justifying Hitlers actions. Your logic is both flawed and ignorant of historic context. I don’t give a fuck what his theories are. I give a fuck how they were used to kill millions of innocent people in every hemisphere.

Marx and Engels wrote volumes on their ideas.  It doesn’t take “whit”(?) to point out that they were monstrous.
In the Marxian journal Neue Rheinische Zeitung, Engels explained how the class war in Marxian terms means that when socialist revolution happens there will be primitive societies in Europe two stages behind in Marx’s Theory of History because at the time they were not even capitalist yet.  He specifically mentions the Basques, the Bretons, Scottish Highlanders and the Serbs and he calls them “racial trash”.  These are his exact words.  He goes on to explain this “racial trash” will have to be destroyed during the class war because being two stages behind in the historical struggle it will be impossible to bring them up to the point of the revolution.  
Marx himself stated that “The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.”  Marx. People’s Paper, April 16 1853,- That they must “perish in the revolutionary holocaust”  Journal of the History of Ideas, Vol. 42 No.1 1981.
The people who defend Marx and Engels generally are the most ignorant people I come into contact with or the most devoid of humanity.
Here’s a video excerpt of leading Fabian socialist and Marxist sympathizer George Bernard Shaw advocating for mass murder;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ
 Educate yourselves.  Hitler learned from the Marxists.  Nazism and Soviet Communism are slightly different interpretations of Marxism.

“Ill sympathize with Marx right about the same time I start justifying Hitlers actions.”
yeah, because they’re remotely comparable, sure - a political theorist and a genocidal dictator. let’s ignore the fact that marx was jewish as well, which makes this comparison even more offensive and ignorant.
“I don’t give a fuck what his theories are.”
then why did you make a verifiably false graph pretending to be based on his theories? if you’re going to condemn marx, do it, but don’t fucking pretend you’re representing him with this bullshit.
as for association-of-“free”-people, the usual libertarian tactics of quote-mining seem to be at work here. the “racial trash” remark is a mistranslation, the actual term is “residual fragments of peoples”, and engels was quoting hegel:

There is no country in Europe which does not have in some corner or other one or several ruined fragments of peoples, the remnant of a former population that was suppressed and held in bondage by the nation which later became the main vehicle of historical development. These relics of a nation mercilessly trampled under foot in the course of history, as Hegel says, these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character, just as their whole existence in general is itself a protest against a great historical revolution. [1]

doesn’t sound so genocidal now does it? in fact, if anything, it sounds like engels considers the process of smaller nationalities being crushed by the capitalist state to be “merciless”.
the “classes and races” quote isn’t a mistranslation, but again is taken egregiously out of context:

But with modern compulsory emigration the case stands quite opposite. Here it is not the want of productive. power which creates a surplus population; it is the increase of productive power which demands a diminution of population, and drives away the surplus by famine or emigration. It is not population that presses on productive power; it is productive power that presses on population.
Now I share neither in the opinions of Ricardo, who regards ‘Net-Revenue’ as the Moloch to whom entire populations must be sacrificed, without even so much as complaint, nor in the opinion of Sismondi, who, in his hypochondriacal philanthropy, would forcibly retain the superannuated methods of agriculture and proscribe science from industry, as Plato expelled poets from his Republic. Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way. But can there be anything more puerile, more short-sighted, than the views of those Economists who believe in all earnest that this woeful transitory state means nothing but adapting society to the acquisitive propensities of capitalists, both landlords and money-lords? [2]

it sounds here like he’s actually discussing what capitalism does, yet again, in crushing “weaker” classes and races. in fact he condemns ricardo for the very thing you’re accusing him of.
the “revolutionary holocaust” remark appears nowhere in marx and engel’s collected works, that i can find - in fact, the only discussions i could locate were on white nationalist websites. so much for you being an “anti-fascist” when you take your critique of communism from them.
as for george bernard shaw, he was a fabian, not a marxist, so i don’t know why he’s relevant here.
as usual, association-of-free-people, you’re a complete liar who can’t even be bothered to verify the shit they spout. how about we look at some of your heroes next? how about we pull up the ludwig von mises quote where he claimed fascism “saved” europe?
you didn’t provide sources for people to check your silliness, but i will.
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[1]: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1849/01/13.htm 
[2]: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1853/03/04.htm

Wait, you provide Marxist apologia in the face of results? I know all of the communists of the 20th century “did it wrong”. You are the liar, you are the rube who apologizes for holocaust and a brutal and murderous ideology even adding it to your ridiculous cartoonish moniker.  You are as empty and lightweight as your persona projects.  Grow up.
You bloviate in the face of reality.  In just one instance we have Holodomor, the great effort at ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by the Soviet communists led by Lenin?  This genocide is a simple matter of fact and yet you presumably deny it.

Shaw isn’t relevant?  Why?  Because you say so?  Where the hell do you think Fabian Socialist ideology sprung forth from?  The same poisonous well that is Marxism.  It is no Secret that the Fabian Society came into the world at the exact time that Marxism was the mainstream of the socialist surge.  It attempted to put a Western face on the movement and instead of violent overthrow adopted a subversive set of tactics to meet their ends.  This is no secret.  Shaw actively praised the Soviets as well as the Fascists for their totalitarian socialist states “getting things done”.  
You’re as disgusting as a nazi and don’t even realize it.  You should be ashamed of yourself.
"Among all the nations and sub-nations of Austria [Austro-Hungarian Empire], only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and are still capable of life — the Germans, the Poles and the Magyars [Hungarians]. Hence they are now revolutionary. All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary holocaust. For that reason they are now counter-revolutionary. […] These residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extermination or loss of their national character. […] A general war will wipe out all these racial trash [völkerabfälle] down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward." 
"The Magyar Struggle," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, January 13, 1849Printed in English in the book: Karl Marx, The Revolutions of 1848, Political Writings Vol. 1, London, Penguin Books, 1973.
Mussolini claimed Karl Marx as the single largest influence on fascism and that the fascist ideology was doctrinally based on Marxism.
"What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism. —Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930 - Alan Bullock, Hitler: a Study in Tyranny, pp.156-7 He also asserted: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. ” “There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, revolutionary feeling … I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the Party at once. The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never be a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. ”




You see, I don’t need filtered translations spoon-fed to me from apologists and zealots decades removed from the history.  I have their own words.  We have recorded history.  It does not all disappear down the memory hole so that you can enjoy your perverted erstwhile fantasies.
Go crawl back under your rock.  As you know I equate you with a fascist.  You are either an extremely ignorant or an evil human being.

god you’re fucking boring. i’m not going to bother responding to the parts of this which are insults and you having a giant tantrum, because it’d be a waste of time. you’ve reproduced the paragraph i put up, with the mistranslation intact, so i’m not even going to bother addressing that. the rest of your incoherent diatribe isn’t even based on marx and engels, it’s based on lenin, which is an entirely different argument altogether. but just so you know, just because someone is “influenced” by someone, doesn’t mean they’re an accurate representation of their ideas. plenty of  capitalist thinkers from the 19th century influenced hitler, gobineau and spencer being good examples. i like how you take fascists at their word though, despite the fact hitler and mussolini regularly changed what they said depending on what audience they were speaking to.
same goes for shaw, him and his fabian arsehole friends vulgarized socialism and turned it into an ideology of class collaboration and eugenics, which had nothing to do with what marx said.
but lets be honest, the fascists once in power did nothing else than serve big business and protect private property with regards to the economy, much like you would. fascism is the ideological cousin of your school of “thought”

lol look at the tail between your legs.

yeah, really a tail between my legs when i thoroughly trounced both of you and you havent even addressed my points :)

The truth doesn’t need defending. Communism is a failure. The end.

    animecommunist:

    jonnyny:

    animecommunist:

    association-of-free-people:

    animecommunist:

    association-of-free-people:

    jonnyny:

    anarchosaur:

    I think communism is a pipedream, but this is just preposterous.

    It could at least be written what Karl Marx actually theorised, not just pointless whit.

    Ill sympathize with Marx right about the same time I start justifying Hitlers actions. Your logic is both flawed and ignorant of historic context. I don’t give a fuck what his theories are. I give a fuck how they were used to kill millions of innocent people in every hemisphere.

    Marx and Engels wrote volumes on their ideas.  It doesn’t take “whit”(?) to point out that they were monstrous.

    In the Marxian journal Neue Rheinische Zeitung, Engels explained how the class war in Marxian terms means that when socialist revolution happens there will be primitive societies in Europe two stages behind in Marx’s Theory of History because at the time they were not even capitalist yet.  He specifically mentions the Basques, the Bretons, Scottish Highlanders and the Serbs and he calls them “racial trash”.  These are his exact words.  He goes on to explain this “racial trash” will have to be destroyed during the class war because being two stages behind in the historical struggle it will be impossible to bring them up to the point of the revolution.  

    Marx himself stated that “The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.”  Marx. People’s Paper, April 16 1853,- That they must “perish in the revolutionary holocaust”  Journal of the History of Ideas, Vol. 42 No.1 1981.

    The people who defend Marx and Engels generally are the most ignorant people I come into contact with or the most devoid of humanity.

    Here’s a video excerpt of leading Fabian socialist and Marxist sympathizer George Bernard Shaw advocating for mass murder;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ

     Educate yourselves.  Hitler learned from the Marxists.  Nazism and Soviet Communism are slightly different interpretations of Marxism.

    Ill sympathize with Marx right about the same time I start justifying Hitlers actions.”

    yeah, because they’re remotely comparable, sure - a political theorist and a genocidal dictator. let’s ignore the fact that marx was jewish as well, which makes this comparison even more offensive and ignorant.

    I don’t give a fuck what his theories are.”

    then why did you make a verifiably false graph pretending to be based on his theories? if you’re going to condemn marx, do it, but don’t fucking pretend you’re representing him with this bullshit.

    as for association-of-“free”-people, the usual libertarian tactics of quote-mining seem to be at work here. the “racial trash” remark is a mistranslation, the actual term is “residual fragments of peoples”, and engels was quoting hegel:

    There is no country in Europe which does not have in some corner or other one or several ruined fragments of peoples, the remnant of a former population that was suppressed and held in bondage by the nation which later became the main vehicle of historical development. These relics of a nation mercilessly trampled under foot in the course of history, as Hegel says, these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character, just as their whole existence in general is itself a protest against a great historical revolution. [1]

    doesn’t sound so genocidal now does it? in fact, if anything, it sounds like engels considers the process of smaller nationalities being crushed by the capitalist state to be “merciless”.

    the “classes and races” quote isn’t a mistranslation, but again is taken egregiously out of context:

    But with modern compulsory emigration the case stands quite opposite. Here it is not the want of productive. power which creates a surplus population; it is the increase of productive power which demands a diminution of population, and drives away the surplus by famine or emigration. It is not population that presses on productive power; it is productive power that presses on population.

    Now I share neither in the opinions of Ricardo, who regards ‘Net-Revenue’ as the Moloch to whom entire populations must be sacrificed, without even so much as complaint, nor in the opinion of Sismondi, who, in his hypochondriacal philanthropy, would forcibly retain the superannuated methods of agriculture and proscribe science from industry, as Plato expelled poets from his Republic. Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way. But can there be anything more puerile, more short-sighted, than the views of those Economists who believe in all earnest that this woeful transitory state means nothing but adapting society to the acquisitive propensities of capitalists, both landlords and money-lords? [2]

    it sounds here like he’s actually discussing what capitalism does, yet again, in crushing “weaker” classes and races. in fact he condemns ricardo for the very thing you’re accusing him of.

    the “revolutionary holocaust” remark appears nowhere in marx and engel’s collected works, that i can find - in fact, the only discussions i could locate were on white nationalist websites. so much for you being an “anti-fascist” when you take your critique of communism from them.

    as for george bernard shaw, he was a fabian, not a marxist, so i don’t know why he’s relevant here.

    as usual, association-of-free-people, you’re a complete liar who can’t even be bothered to verify the shit they spout. how about we look at some of your heroes next? how about we pull up the ludwig von mises quote where he claimed fascism “saved” europe?

    you didn’t provide sources for people to check your silliness, but i will.

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    [1]: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1849/01/13.htm 

    [2]: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1853/03/04.htm

    Wait, you provide Marxist apologia in the face of results? I know all of the communists of the 20th century “did it wrong”. You are the liar, you are the rube who apologizes for holocaust and a brutal and murderous ideology even adding it to your ridiculous cartoonish moniker.  You are as empty and lightweight as your persona projects.  Grow up.

    You bloviate in the face of reality.  In just one instance we have Holodomor, the great effort at ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by the Soviet communists led by Lenin?  This genocide is a simple matter of fact and yet you presumably deny it.

    Shaw isn’t relevant?  Why?  Because you say so?  Where the hell do you think Fabian Socialist ideology sprung forth from?  The same poisonous well that is Marxism.  It is no Secret that the Fabian Society came into the world at the exact time that Marxism was the mainstream of the socialist surge.  It attempted to put a Western face on the movement and instead of violent overthrow adopted a subversive set of tactics to meet their ends.  This is no secret.  Shaw actively praised the Soviets as well as the Fascists for their totalitarian socialist states “getting things done”.  

    You’re as disgusting as a nazi and don’t even realize it.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

    "Among all the nations and sub-nations of Austria [Austro-Hungarian Empire], only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and are still capable of life — the Germans, the Poles and the Magyars [Hungarians]. Hence they are now revolutionary. All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary holocaust. For that reason they are now counter-revolutionary. […] These residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extermination or loss of their national character. […] A general war will wipe out all these racial trash [völkerabfälle] down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward." 


    "The Magyar Struggle," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, January 13, 1849
    Printed in English in the book: Karl Marx, The Revolutions of 1848, Political Writings Vol. 1, London, Penguin Books, 1973.

    Mussolini claimed Karl Marx as the single largest influence on fascism and that the fascist ideology was doctrinally based on Marxism.

    "What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism. —Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930 - Alan Bullock, Hitler: a Study in Tyranny, pp.156-7 He also asserted: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. ” “There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, revolutionary feeling … I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the Party at once. The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never be a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. ”

    You see, I don’t need filtered translations spoon-fed to me from apologists and zealots decades removed from the history.  I have their own words.  We have recorded history.  It does not all disappear down the memory hole so that you can enjoy your perverted erstwhile fantasies.

    Go crawl back under your rock.  As you know I equate you with a fascist.  You are either an extremely ignorant or an evil human being.

    god you’re fucking boring. i’m not going to bother responding to the parts of this which are insults and you having a giant tantrum, because it’d be a waste of time. you’ve reproduced the paragraph i put up, with the mistranslation intact, so i’m not even going to bother addressing that. the rest of your incoherent diatribe isn’t even based on marx and engels, it’s based on lenin, which is an entirely different argument altogether. but just so you know, just because someone is “influenced” by someone, doesn’t mean they’re an accurate representation of their ideas. plenty of  capitalist thinkers from the 19th century influenced hitler, gobineau and spencer being good examples. i like how you take fascists at their word though, despite the fact hitler and mussolini regularly changed what they said depending on what audience they were speaking to.

    same goes for shaw, him and his fabian arsehole friends vulgarized socialism and turned it into an ideology of class collaboration and eugenics, which had nothing to do with what marx said.

    but lets be honest, the fascists once in power did nothing else than serve big business and protect private property with regards to the economy, much like you would. fascism is the ideological cousin of your school of “thought”

    lol look at the tail between your legs.

    yeah, really a tail between my legs when i thoroughly trounced both of you and you havent even addressed my points :)

    The truth doesn’t need defending. Communism is a failure. The end.

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